Episode 121: Positive Habits with Andrew Kap

This week Jon sits down with Lousia Schibli, co-founder of the Northern New England Women’s Investor network, and co-founder and CEO of Milk Money Vermont. Milk Money is a platform for Vermonters to discover local investment opportunities, get tips on how to evaluate those opportunities, and then make an investment. 

Louisa has also recently joined RuralWorks Partners as Chief Engagement Officer. RuralWorks Partners is an impact investment firm that supports growth stage and transitioning rural businesses and the communities in which they operate. RuralWorks is currently raising a $100 Million impact fund for these businesses and communities across the Northeast and Upper Midwest.

Listen in for Louisa’s lessons about raising capital in rural Vermont and being a female entrepreneur in the Green mountain state.

Check out:

Vermont Women’s Investor Network www.nnewin.org
Milk Money Investing www.milkmoneyinvesting.com
RuralWorks Partners www.ruralworkspartners.com

Learn more at https://milkmoneyvt.com/

Andrew Kap Learning Life


Build healthy habits and create positive changes in your life.

Andrew Kap is the founder and CEO of Awesome Marvelous, Inc., a content publishing and marketing agency, and the best-selling author of The Last Law of Attraction Book You’ll Ever Need To Read. With all of his strategies and techniques, Kap helps people separate themselves and stand out through all the noise. His book offers over 18+ ways to manifest the life you want to live so there’s something for everyone.

Kap put these techniques into practice during a dark time in his life. After seeing such great success with them, he’s now inspired to help others create a genuine, sustainable impact in their lives.

In this episode, Kap shares a few techniques that you can start using right now to change your trajectory and discusses how he came to believe in the secret of the law of attraction.

Learn more about Andrew Kap’s book here – The Last Law of Attraction Book You’ll Ever Need To Read: The Missing Key To Finally Tapping Into The Universe And Manifesting Your Desires

Andrew Kap’s YouTube Channel 

The Law of Attraction in 60-Seconds video

Check out this episode!

Andrew Kap (00:00):

Two weeks later, I felt better, which is saying a lot with someone for a broken heart. Three months later, I’m in a brand new relationship, way healthier and over my ex. Four months later, I’m making more money than any point in my life. And six months later, everything’s different. I’m in the best shape of my life. I’m waking up happy and fulfilled.

Intro (00:16):

Welcome to Learning Life, where top experts share their business knowledge and personal journeys each week. “And the thing that I realized from the CEO to the NFL football player, to the janitor – we’re our toughest critics, and we’re hardest on ourselves.” – James Lawrence And wanted to bring education to the market. I wake up in the morning and I am constantly learning.” “The only way to grab somebody’s attention is with a story” – Cal Fussman. Happy learning! And now your host, Jon Tota,

Jon Tota (00:44):

Welcome to another episode of Learning Life with Jon Tota. My guest today is Andrew Kap. Andrew is the founder and CEO of Awesome Marvelous, Inc., a content publishing and marketing agency, and the best-selling author of The Last Law of Attraction Book You’ll Ever Need [To Read]. With all his strategies and techniques. Andrew helps people separate themselves and stand out through all the noise. His book offers a never-before-seen perspective on the law of attraction and positive habits that anyone can benefit from even if you don’t believe in the law of attraction. He used these techniques to turn his own life around and now wants to help others create a genuine, sustainable impact in their lives. Andrew has a ton of excellent content out online and all his work is excellent. So I’m excited to have him with us here today. Andrew, welcome to Learning Life.

Andrew Kap (01:26):

Hey Jon, thanks so much for having me, my friend. I’m really excited to be here and really excited about where this conversation might go.

Jon Tota (01:32):

So I’m really interested in what you talk about and I think our audience will be as well. So just to kind of kick us off, define the law of attraction because I know there’s tons of writing and content out there and, and yours is really one of the premier pieces, but what is, if you could sum it up, what is the law of attraction?

Andrew Kap (01:50):

You know, it’s so funny on my YouTube channel, I challenged myself to explain it in 60 seconds. I even had like a countdown clock. So I’ve got to meet this standard now, but a fast way to put it really is the understanding that we are all vibrational. You look at us under a microscope and you actually see that we’re not as solid as we think we are. And everything about us, everything in our thoughts, everything around us vibrates at a frequency and you know, law of attraction is basically this principle is a universal principle by which, you know, whatever you think about will literally attract what you want into your life, because you’re vibrating the frequency of it, which is triggering that frequency back into your physical manifested form. And it’s a little extra long-winded here, but people hear that and they think, well, I want the big job promotion. I think about it all day, every day, how come it’s not happening for me if this thing works. And, um, so that always answers, like, are you thinking about that job promotion with certainty and anticipation and happiness, or are you thinking about it with frustration and impatients because that’s probably you thinking about the lack of it without even realizing it and attracting the lack of it back.

Jon Tota (02:53):

That’s interesting. So it really, in a lot of ways for you, it’s the perspective, it’s the mindset and how you’re looking at challenges in your life as opposed to just focusing on it and because it could be focusing on the negative aspect.

Andrew Kap (03:06):

Yeah. And you know, it’s, it’s funny because entrepreneurs from all walks of life, whether they buy into the law of attraction or not surely understand the value and the impact of how you see things, because it affects everything. Even if you’re not a law of attraction person, even if you don’t believe in this energetic soup that we’re in, for lack of better term, everyone understands psychology. Everyone understands, hopefully the reticular activating system. What you focus on is what’s going to happen because that’s basically the direction that your brain is going to take you in that the universe is going to take you in that your subconscious mind driving the wheel is going to push you in without you even realizing it.

Jon Tota (03:38):

So now just take us all the way back, because obviously you didn’t start as an author. You didn’t start on this path originally. What was the genesis of this? I know you had a major life change and that’s when some of these techniques really came into play for you. Tell us a little bit about your journey and how you got started on this path.

Andrew Kap (03:56):

Yeah. And the funny thing is the book was just last year, whereas this journey started like 16 years ago because I’m sure there are entrepreneurs who can appreciate, you know, the whole idea of having to kill your own dinner so to speak every single day, rather than be on a salary. And, you know, oftentimes we find ourselves like looking into, you know, positive mindset and modalities, personal development, things like that. So law of attraction is just one modality of many that I, I kind of stumbled on and it kind of seemed like it worked and I would have my own successes and failures with it. I was never truly consistent. And I always thought that the law of attraction wasn’t consistent, but I would later find out that it was me who wasn’t. And I guess I had this epiphany probably about 12 years ago where I lost my business and my relationship of three years all in the same week.

Andrew Kap (04:39):

And obviously neither were my decision. In fact, because I was struggling so hard to keep the business afloat, the relationship was suffering for that reason. And she actually, she broke up over text. Wasn’t even a phone call, obviously wasn’t in person. So it obviously wasn’t fun. And I was basically at this depressed point where I’m like, listen, this thing kind of works and I’ve got to do something here. Something has to change. So I don’t care what it happens, how it happens when it happens. I don’t care about any of that. All I know is I’m going to finally go all in with this thing because when I’ve done it a little bit in the past, it’s worked a little bit. So let me just, you know, do this. And when I say all in, I don’t mean all day every day because none of us have really the capacity for that.

Andrew Kap (05:17):

And I wanted to strategically use something that I wouldn’t break on. So I did every day for just five or 10 minutes, doing simple gratitude and visualization methods that were hopefully going to turn the tide for me once and for all. And I’ll tell you, Jon, that the results were miraculous in a way I’d never could have expected because two weeks later I felt better, which is saying a lot with someone for broken heart. Three months later, I’m in a brand new relationship, way healthier, and over my ex. Four months later, I’m making more money than any point in my life. And six months later, everything’s different. I’m in the best shape of my life. I’m waking up happy and fulfilled. And there’s no other thing that I did consistently. I mean, I did other things, but this was the thing that was the difference maker.

Andrew Kap (05:54):

So I had to say myself, okay, this had to do the trick. And the whole thing about the book is, you know, I didn’t do the book until 10 or 11 years later where I wrote it. And I just told myself like, listen, if I’m going to do something in business, I need to do something that I’m really passionate about. That I’m going to look forward to responding to emails from customers and I’m not going to lose interest and I’m just going to be fully engaged. And this is what popped into my head. So I just went to work, hopefully trying to craft something that people haven’t seen before, which is why I titled it: The Last Law of Attraction Book You’ll Ever Need to Read. I was very intentional about making sure that this did something that no other book did. And, uh, that’s, that’s my long-winded answer for that, my friend.

Jon Tota (06:31):

So writing the book now is kind of the end of the journey in a lot of ways or your way of kind of taking this to another level, sharing the story with other people, getting the strategies out there, but was this really kind of the start of your company? Awesome. Marvelous, Inc. was when you made this pivot and started to change your life and kind of put these practices into, into practice for yourself.

Andrew Kap (06:53):

Yeah. The company was about a year and a half prior, and really I spent the first year and a half, like messing around and trying different things and kind of feeling things out. I think entrepreneurs out there can really relate to those situations where you might get burned out or there’s situations where you wake up successful, but not doing what you love. And I didn’t want to fall into any of those traps. And again, I’ve been an entrepreneur for 20 years, so I’ve kind of like I’ve had all my bumps and bruises and I learned things the hard way and some things the easy way. And I was just in the mindset where like, let me give myself some space and time and, and enough room. And fortunately I had the finances to do it where I just felt around until I finally made this decision. And since I’ve done this, I just haven’t looked back because fortunately it has really been fulfilling for me.

Jon Tota (07:37):

And so do you feel- like you mentioned being all in, is that a big piece of it is making that commitment and saying, okay, there is no backup plan. There’s no safety net. I’m just going all in and failure’s not really an option?

Andrew Kap (07:50):

Yeah, I took it to an even deeper level with this whole situation. It wasn’t even that failure’s not an option because like we know it isn’t, but it was almost like failure isn’t even a consideration. Meaning if I were to fail, I wouldn’t care. I was just keep doing it. Like I was, I was so pissed off and I was so depressed. Nothing was going to stop me including repeated failure if that were to happen from doing this. So I almost transcended failure in a sense that even if it came, I would not have stopped.

Jon Tota (08:16):

I know gratitude you mentioned is a big piece of this. How much of it do you attribute to that regular practice of gratitude? And if that’s so big, what is the way that you got into it or what is a simple way for our audience to begin that in as a regular part of their lives?

Andrew Kap (08:34):

For sure. Well, like the first part answer the question like gratitude is the strongest, easiest way, in my opinion of accessing your way through the law of attraction to pull things in, because you’re basically telling the universe, or if you don’t believe in that your subconscious mind that you have what you want and you’re reinforcing that reality and that’s psychology. Again, by hook or by crook, it brings it. And to give a quick example, you know, people think of, let’s use something physical, like, you know, you lift weights to get muscles, right? It’s over simplified, but I’ll give you two reasons why that might happen. Reason possibility number one is you lift weights and when you go to sleep at night, the muscle fairy comes and just gives you muscles. Another explanation is that when you’re lifting weights, you’re putting so much stress on your body that the muscles are literally tearing and little parts around there, and then your body responds by healing and filling in those gaps with more muscle fiber.

Andrew Kap (09:28):

Now I’m sure most people would say, it’s the second answer, but I would tell them it actually doesn’t matter what the answer is. What matters is you lift weights, you get muscles. You put in X, you get Y. And by that same token, you do law of attraction methods, and whether you believe in them or not by hook or by crook, you see these amazing results that you never could have predicted come through.

Andrew Kap (09:48):

And since I’m king of the long-winded answer, maybe I can even teach your audience, one of my methods that they can just try out right now for free. I call this, this gratitude method the time-lapse method. And what you’re going to do is you’re going to write down 15 things that you’re grateful for: five of them are from your past, five of them are from your presen, and five of them are things that you want in the future. And the trick of this is you’re going to write all them out in the present tense, and then you’re going to jumble up your list. So it’s completely out of order. Maybe the first thing is a present and then the past and the future and another presence while mixed up. And you’re basically going to read down that list one at a time and take 20 to 60 seconds out to just feel whatever gratitude you can for that thing. And the really cool hook about this specific method is that two thirds of that list is real. It’s either happening or it has happened, meaning your gratitude is carrying a certain level of certainty and confidence and enthusiasm. That just can’t be forced. And since we don’t downshift very easily, and the future events are kind of like jumbled up and mixed in there, you’re almost tricking your vibration or your psychology or whatever, and to having the same certainty and confidence and gratitude and enthusiasm for those future things as well, thereby giving them a much larger push for you.

Jon Tota (11:00):

Oh, okay. I love that. I love that. And I think you’re right. Great time to be grateful. I think this must go to your point where you don’t necessarily have to believe in the law of attraction, because you’re saying that the past and the present, those are two thirds of it. You’ve already accomplished this, or it’s in progress. So you are in a way kind of tricking your brain into just following that momentum and that rhythm to achieve those, those five future goals, right?

Andrew Kap (11:26):

Yeah. And there’s one extra really cool part that most people don’t realize when they first hear it. One you’ve gotten this for free, it didn’t cost you any money, but two let’s say that I’m either lying or I’m diluted, I’m wrong. Let’s say one of those possibilities. While I’m asking you to engage in a process for five or 10 minutes, that still feels good. So even if the thing that you wanted didn’t come in and of itself, the moment that you took are the moments and minutes each day to do this are moments where have relief from stress or relief from all the worries of the world, where you just get to take time out and just be, and be present and enjoy the moment. So even at the barest minimum level, this is a win just by doing this for a few minutes a day.

Jon Tota (12:06):

So when you do it, what do you recommend? Like, what’s the setting? Are you doing it first thing in the morning? Are you meditating in some way? What’s your practice that people could maybe emulate a little bit?

Andrew Kap (12:18):

Well, you know, before I give it, just to say that the really cool thing about this is there’s no wrong way. Meaning in the end, the answer for each person is their comfort level. Is it easier for them to do it both in time and comfort in the morning or the evening or both, or any time at time of the day? So like me personally, when I was really doing this full tilt, I did it in the morning just because that worked the best for me. That’s how I started off my day. But I’ll tell you, Jon, I don’t even do that specifically everyday anymore. Even though I do take my own medicine and I still do use the methods from the book. The one thing that I do without fail these days is I have a friend where we just text each other every single day, we speak for one minute or five minutes or whatever, all the things that we’re grateful for.

Andrew Kap (12:57):

And we send that to the other person. And the cool thing about this is, you know, we’re friends so there’s a social pressure there. I don’t want to let him down and he doesn’t want to let me down. So it kind of keeps us honest in the sense that we’re going to do this every single day. So that’s the thing that I’m doing these days without fail to really reinforce my gratitude. And by the way, that’s not less effort or less valuable. You can speak it, you can write it, you can wish it, whatever works for you and feels good. That’s the ultimate answer.

Speaker 4 (13:24):

Hey, listeners, Jon Tota here. As businesses everywhere are struggling with the new normal of hiring and training new employees virtually, do you know if your company’s on-boarding program is setting up your employees for success? It’s more important than ever right now when new people are joining your company and learning your culture while operating almost entirely from remote locations. eLearning Brothers has the answer for you in their brand new virtual onboarding handbook. Download a checklist to see how well your onboarding program stacks up. Then read the free handbook that covers the four pillars of on-boarding and includes a sample template for a fully virtual on-boarding program. Visit learninglifeshow.com/ELB to download your free checklist and handbook today. Provided by eLearning Brothers – the industry leading provider of eLearning solutions. eLearning Brothers has everything you need to launch your own virtual on-boarding program to keep your business scaling and culture growing during these challenging times. Get your free handbook today at learninglifeshow.com/ELB. Now back to our show.

Jon Tota (14:30):

And so if someone’s looking at this and they read your book and they see all these different techniques, is it necessary that you do all of them? And do you need to do things in a certain order? Or is this more of a free form kind of take what works for you and build your own solution?

Andrew Kap (14:46):

That question you’re right. It’s it was it’s what works for you. The reason like the book has like 19 or 20 methods. The only reason I put 19 or 20 methods in is because people like variety and you never know what’s going to suit each person’s specific style, but the truth is you can just take one of those and just do that and never do any other one at all. And just that one method alone, whatever it is, it’s going to be enough because really what this comes down to, again, even if you don’t believe in all the traction, this is about strategically taking time out every day, five or 10 minutes, where you think about things that you want, and you feel good while you’re thinking about them. Again, that you don’t want to think about that job with frustration. You want to think about it with anticipation. So you’re just finding some way, shape or form to feel good about things that you want and things that you have thereby reinforcing and inviting that to continue to come into your life in better and better ways.

Jon Tota (15:35):

And I know habits are really important to you and positive habits. Once you kind of establish some of these things that will work in your, in your daily life, what are you doing with people? How are you helping them implement habits? And do you have any tips that our audience can take away from this episode as far as implementing them the right way in their lives?

Andrew Kap (15:55):

So here’s the part I really hope an entrepreneur would really appreciate, what I’ve found in terms of, you know, and the reason the way I structured the book the way I structured it is I think a key part of this is that you want to be able to have something that you look forward to. And like, even in the book, you know, people read the free preview on Amazon. They’ll notice in the intro chapter, I give this example of imagine, you know, you want the perfect body. You want to lose certain amount of weight or whatever it might be, and someone walks up to you and they’ve got this magic ice cream, and it’s got all the good qualities of ice cream and none of the bad ones. And they tell you, listen, all you have to do is take a spoonful of this ice cream every single day, and you’ll get lean muscle.

Andrew Kap (16:33):

You’ll have the body of your dreams. Like everything will work out. And if you don’t like ice cream, you know, say pizza or cookies or whatever. And obviously that’s a scenario where whatever that food is, of course you’re going to follow through on it because it’s a brief thing that you enjoy and look forward to. So from a positive habit standpoint, I think it’s possible to build healthy habits with stuff that you don’t feel like doing. But if you can find something that you enjoy right away, it makes it all the easier to build that healthy habit. And I think there’s something to be said about being strategic in that way. Again, law of attraction or not just in your business, find things in your business that you want to do that are really healthy for the business and healthy for you that you enjoy, because it’s going to be the easiest thing to reinforce, and it will fuel all those other things that you want to do as well.

Jon Tota (17:16):

Yeah. And, and when you say that too, it reminds me, and I want our audience to listen on this. You have a really cool storytelling format in your book and the ice cream story is a good example, but it makes a lot of these techniques more memorable and a little bit more relatable to individuals. So I just want to give you some kudos. Your style of writing is really approachable for this type of content. So nice work on all of that.

Andrew Kap (17:44):

I appreciate that compliment, Jon. You know, I’ll tell you that was one of the top priorities. You know, for me, you write a book like this. It’s just, unless it is relatable, unless people can kind of encapsulate in their mind what this works. It’s not going to be as valuable. So thank you so much for that acknowledgement. I really appreciate it.

Jon Tota (18:03):

Yeah. And, and I know ego is something that you talk about as well and how that can get in the way of some of this good work that you’re trying to accomplish. Tell us a little bit about that and ways that our audience can manage their ego if it’s standing in the way of getting some of the things they want.

Andrew Kap (18:19):

For sure. And you know, full disclaimer, these terms I’m about to give you, these are my definitions. I’m certainly not going to compete with a clinical psychologist, but the way I see it, you’ve got three minds. You’ve got the conscious and you’ve got the subconscious, but right in the middle, you’ve got the ego and the ego is stronger than the conscious mind, but nothing is stronger than the subconscious. But the thing about the ego is it only has one job in the whole world and that’s to keep you alive. And that’s important because right now, anyone out there listening, you know, whatever money problems you have, whatever relationship problems you have, whatever health problems you have, anything, all your ego knows is right now, you are alive. And the last thing that the ego wants to do, if it’s within it’s within his power is change or risk the status quo, because you might want to be rich and famous right now.

Andrew Kap (19:03):

But for all the ego knows being famous means you’re gonna get a bunch of stalkers, which is a threat to your survival. For all the ego knows, getting a lot of money, family is going to come out of the woodwork and try to take it from you- a threat to your survival. So the ego, while it loves you, and this is in service to you in a misguided way, it basically is not interested in your comfort, your fulfillment, your satisfaction, anything, it just wants to keep you alive and key to all this is that’s why a lot of times you’ll have fear and uncertainty, and you’ll be talked out of doing things like, you know, working out every day. But that’s why also you want to choose methods that you enjoy that are easy because at least the methods that I have from a law of attraction standpoint, or really any book that’s worth its salt- bypass the ego go direct to the subconscious mind and then the subconscious mind does all the heavy lifting for you.

Jon Tota (19:49):

That’s a great way to look at it. And I think that, it’s interesting because the challenge that I think a lot of people come up with when they’re facing things that they’re afraid of, or there’s some uncertainty tied to it is you’re, you’re almost looking for any reason not to do it. How can I avoid that? Right. And that’s kind of our natural instinct, I guess, our survival instinct.

Andrew Kap (20:10):

Yeah. And by the way, there’s nothing wrong with that to a certain extent, because you know, back in the day, first of all, there’s so much going on with the ego. Like, first of all, we fear rejection because back in the day, if you were thrown out of the group, it was you alone against the saber tooth tiger. And, you know, even nowadays, like you want to keep things simple and avoid hard work because your body has only so much energy and resources in a day and it’s always on guard for it. So of course, you’re going to find your way out of doing things that might seem a little unfamiliar or difficult for some reason.

Jon Tota (20:40):

Yeah, yeah. So the book is doing really well. The Last Law of Attraction Book You’ll Ever Need To Read- it’s on Amazon’s bestseller, you’ve gotten tons of good ratings. And so what are you focused on now? Are you out there? I know, you know, for awhile there, you were a content publisher and marketing agency, and you’re doing a lot of that, but now is your focus really just getting this message out to as many people as possible, helping them to overcome some of the same things you did.

Andrew Kap (21:06):

Yeah. Like right now, like this is the book. I kind of feel like I’m overselling it, but this is the book I would have loved 15 years ago to help save me some trouble. And, you know, I’ve done, you know, copywriting for people and I’ve done marketing consulting. I just, I’m so much more fulfilled by this. This really is the mission, so to speak. And, um, you know, I talk about the book, I put it out there and I have a YouTube channel in support of it. So I figure every single day, I’m trying to find some way by which I’m creating content that just reinforces this for people, because, you know, obviously it, it is very specific to of attraction and it is what it is, and that’s the best way for me to reach people. But ultimately this is just about hopefully finding anyone that wants to build healthy habits and make positive changes to their life. And for whatever reason, this kind of feels like the right way for me to go about this and create a value. So I’m all in at this point.

Jon Tota (21:55):

Yeah. I think it’s a great mission and yeah, I checked out your YouTube channel, lots of awesome content there. So for tell our audience a little bit, if they want to find out more about you, the book, all the other content. I know you’ve got a few places. Obviously the YouTube channel is a really great spot for people to look. Tell us where we can find the best content that you’re putting out there for everyone to consume

Andrew Kap (22:18):

Thing. And I’ll, I’ll keep it to two links just to make it nice and easy for people. People that are interested just in checking out the book itself, last law of attraction, book.com will auto forward to the Amazon listing. Whether you want it in Kindle or paperback or audio book, it’s right there. Check out the free preview even if you don’t buy the book. And if you don’t want to pull out your wallet, like we were just talking about, uh, youtube.com/andrewkap with a K. That’s all the free content. So you can kind of hear about new methods I keep coming out with and I interview people and really, I just try to create really fun and sometimes entertaining and funny content to keep people engaged and just give them more reasons and more excuses to kind of go down this path and help themselves.

Jon Tota (22:57):

Yeah, I think, um, definitely check out the YouTube channel. We’ll put all the links in the episode notes, check out the YouTube channel and definitely check out the book on Amazon and for all our listeners. I think there’s a ton you can learn from Andrew, Andrew, any parting words, something that if anybody’s out there kind of struggling with some of, some of the things in their life and they want to make a change first step w what’s something that they should focus on just to get them right out of the gate and start turning things around.

Andrew Kap (23:26):

Well, there’s two pieces. And the first part is going to sound like I’m blowing smoke, but like right now, you out there, you’re listening to Jon and Jon has value. Give yourself the credit that you’re choosing to listen to a podcast like this because it really reinforces that you’re way worthy of things. And you might be giving yourself credit for you are out there trying to consume information and better yourself. And by the way, it’s right there for you. And with that in mind, again, my book or someone else’s book, my channel is someone else’s channel find something fun, hopefully like in a gratitude exercise or visualization exercise that you could just enjoy. That’s something that you look forward to each day for just five minutes. And it doesn’t feel like a lot, but you know, positive thoughts are way stronger than negative ones. Then just doing that for five minutes a day and nothing else is going to make an impact, then all of a sudden you’ll have something to build off of.

Jon Tota (24:15):

Yeah. Great advice. The Last Law of Attraction Book You’ll Ever Need to Read. Andrew Kap, thank you for being with us today,

Andrew Kap (24:22):

Jon, thanks so much for having me, man. And thanks for caring enough to critical podcast like this, man. I love having conversations like these and I was really grateful for today as well.

Jon Tota (24:30):

Wow, that’s awesome. I appreciate it. And for all of our listeners, thank you for being here every week. As you know, we have a new episode that comes out every Tuesday, so wherever you’re listening, be sure to subscribe, leave us comments. We’d love to hear from you guys and until the next episode, happy learning.

Jon Tota (24:52):

Hey everyone, Jon Tota here. I want to thank you for tuning into the show each week. We love our Learning Life community and are so grateful for your support. We’d appreciate it if you would take a minute to rate us and write a review for Learning Life wherever you’re listening right now. Your ratings and comments help new people find the show so we can keep growing our community and bring great interviews on the topics you care most about.